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RE: Live 4 and the EDP (and DJ CD players)



Some great ideas floating around here, Per!

I didn't think about setting up midi clip templates.  Cool idea!  I was 
just
going to save my rack of instruments as a Live set, and bring it up as a
default set.  In order to do that, I had to expand my Delta 66, so I added 
a
1010.  Now I can bring in each instrument to a Live track. (got that idea
from you - thanks!)

I'm using Live 4 built in effects on the audio input from Pioneer's 1000 
mk2
DJ CD player, so it should work with the EDP.

I was researching some stuff in the L-D archives, and was fascinated with
all the early posts (from Kim, et al) re: DJ's and looping and sampling.  I
was looking for some ideas for using the Pioneer 1000 mk2 as a musical
instrument within Live, and I got several, but I have to agree with one of
the posts that said how amazing it is, that creative DJ's get the sounds
that they do.

Has anyone heard or seen DJ Shadow's latest Live CD and DVD?  For my 
tastes,
it a real masterpiece!

Thanks for all the help, everyone!

Tom




-----Original Message-----
From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] 
Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 10:35 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Live 4 and the EDP

On Aug 15, 2004, at 7:04 PM, Tom Rex wrote:

> Thanks, again, Per.  That got me where I wanted to go!
>
> What I wanted to do was trigger midi commands to the EDP via the 
> computer keyboard thru Live 4.
>
> So, based on your previous advise, I mapped some computer keys to the 
> midi clips within a track.  I then double clicked on those midi clips, 
> and did a few midi sequences to push the midi virtual buttons, which 
> then got the lights flashing on the EDP!  There is some latency, so I 
> hade to set the quantitize in Live to 1/32, or none.
>
> Wow!  That's really powerful stuff!  Especially for computer based 
> music.
>
> Tom
>


Aha, so you're actually sequencing EDP actions. Cool! I've only done that
once with EDP and Repeater and then I was just playing back an
improvisational performance where a computer had recorded EDP source audio
together with foot controller MIDI messages. This was just a workaround
because I did not have five inputs to the recording maching
(1 EDP + 4 Repeater). It took some time to recreate the performance but
after a while I ended up with the complete improvisation separated in Logic
on five channels.

I'm now designing a laptop based looping system with Live 4 as "mixer". 
One idea for EDP as well, as Augustus Loop AU plug-in, is to take advantage
of the new midi clips of Live 4 and set up template midi clips as "dynamic
fx racks" for the loopers. I once noticed that if you send volume changes
(some midi cc sweeping) to the EDP when in overdub mode, this sweeps will
become part of the loop on the next round. So you could in fact use midi
foot pedals to launch Live midi clips with different "beat pattern tremolo
effect settings" as you are looping away on the EDP.

This trick has to stay on my to-do-list for a while though. Next thing to
try out here is using Live 4 built in effects on the audio input from the
EDP and setting up a useful scheme for FCB1010 control (got to keep 
reducing
options all the time to keep things playable).

All the best

Per Boysen
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