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You're probably right about the bell sound, Bill. The Fantom S has several patches for music boxes under it's bell category. There's also some music box pads that sound real cool. If I remember, someone was writing to the list about sounds for babies. These can be great soothing sounds to put anyone to sleep, esp. if done layering with the EDP. However, they work well with grunge also. I did some looping with the music boxes, and used a digerro for the bass line, with some hip hop rhythm patterns. Maybe today's kids would like that better :) Tom -----Original Message----- From: William Walker [mailto:billwalker@looppool.info] Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 12:29 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Music box I use a technique with the DL4 where I record my loop at half speed and then switch to normal speed, which doubles the speed of the loop and raises the pitch by an octave. I've dubbed the net result "music box guitar" as it sounds like that to my ears. ) I would assume any other instrument looped in this fashion would render a similar effect. and both the boomerang and the EDP can do this technique, I believe. If I was using a synth. I'd probably pick a bell sound. and pitch it up and octave. Bill