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...and we like to talk about gear...of course. >>the history you are attempting to rewrite has been rewritten so many times on this list I think most us have definition fatigue. As much as exposing looping to a Deleuzian reinterpretation might be fun, I think most of the issues you bring up were put to bed a while ago. There is a very informative and well informed Looping history article to be found on the Looper's Delight website. You may have read it, and perhaps you disagree with it. Given that the consensus was that this article is quite comprehensive and accurate, it serves most of us to regard it not as an experiment or a theory, but as given and communally agreed fact. The live-looping -vs- sampling-looping discussion you wish to reinvigorate has also been brought to surface in the past, resulting in a web of tensions and volatile "variations-bifurcations" that threatened the fragile social ecosystem of this list. As a result, intellectually speaking, a certain sedimentation and crystallisation of definitions has occured, if only to keep the peace. In an ideal world us humans would not get in the way of a good idea, I agree. But we are, after all, only human.. Best Regards Michael Noble samba * wrote: > I can work with this defintion for practical purposes.Any sort of > definition,model ,paradigm etc.is only useful for organizing data > it's quite reasonable in that sense.But I find it too narrow for > examining the unfoldment of cultural patterns over time and as ideas > travel mind to mind. > Once the human stops inputting new signal is it no longer a loop? > An experiment that yeilds interesting enough results leads to > further explorations that involve refienments,and > variations-bifurcations.A series these branchings,adding complexity > exponentially will lead to several temporary end points that resemble > each other little,but have a common source. > Perhaps most of this list is more intersted in talking about gear > than abstract overviews ,cultural reifications and reframings. > > > <html><div></div></html> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from > McAfeeR Security. > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > > __________ NOD32 1.914 (20041101) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.nod32.com