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At 2:37 PM -0800 11/22/04, scott hansen wrote: >the debate of artists as outsiders was tackled back when i was in grad >school, >the debate is: are artists outside of society or are they a part of >society? >and the debate continues w/ are artists influenced by the goings on >in the world (influence from outside/external) >or are they the beacons from which change comes (somewhat internal, >and from this comes the debate of the avant garde, the forerunners >who change all, and from which most take 10 yrs to catch up to) >there's not really an answer, it's a bit of both, stuff comes in, >then goes out and becomes a cycle, All of the above. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com