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>Boy, my kindgom for >the random filtering algorhythm that is in that pricey Lexicon unit that > >Steve Lawson uses live.........it's so >cool because the rhythms constantly morph in a seemingly 'organic' way. <gear> There's something v.similar in the line6 filter modeler. Both units can sync to Midi, so can sync to your loop. </gear> I'd say there's 2 extremes of looping. 1) the loop is accompaniment to any live material 2) the function of the live material is to build the loop In between those extremes, there's the possibility of a dialog between loop and live, the loop can "grow out of" the live playing. hmm.. I'm off to google Rick's Boid Algorithms andy butler www.andybutler.com info & mp3 download