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At 04:49 PM 12/8/2004, a k butler wrote: >www.andybutler.com now hosts the "Vortex Database" Andy, I'm also considering succumbing to the obscure coolness of the Vortex, and was wondering if you could help out with a couple more quick questions before I lay down my cash. First, I notice that on a few of the sample patches on your site you're using the expression pedal to do volume swells into the delays. I plan on doing a good bit of such swells, but I'm concerned that -- since the Vortex has a pretty limited number of memory slots -- it might not be a good use of the available presets. I'm trying to keep things as simple as possible. However, should I just plan on buying yet another volume pedal to put inline before the Vortex, or can I really get away with consolidating that function into a single unit? Second, just how viable is the Vortex for looping? I thought I'd read that a good deal had been done with it, but I just keep coming back to the specs that say there's a max time of only two seconds on the delay. That sounds a bit constrictive. Am I merely misreading something here? TIA!!! --m. _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil