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Brian, I use the Boss PS-5, which has 5 different settings of pitch shift effects, one of them being a pitch shift up or down by as much as two octaves (2nds, 3rds, 4ths, 5ths, octaves and double octaves). It doesn't glitch, doesn't have latency problems, handles chords just fine, and sounds relatively awesome. By shifting up an octave or two, you get a pretty decent 12 string kinda sound, expecially with judicious use of the wet/dry mix knob. The octave down really does work well. It actually gets pretty beefy. The only downside is that it costs $130 new (if you know where to look, $150 to $200 if you don't). The upside is that it's small, has the familiar Boss DC power in, sounds great on an acoustic guitar, has both mono and stereo out, 5 different functions including intelligent shifting and detuning, and 4 controller knobs (1 of them concentric) controlling way more than any pedal in its right mind should really try to do. For all that it does it deserves to be the size of an Electrix rack mount. Huh, now there's an idea... Stephen <<I have to assume some people on this list use the Boss Octave pedal in their looping setups, to achieve "bass guitar" sounds. To those of you that do....do you like it? what do you think of the tracking? I'd like to get the EH Pog, but can't justify nearly $400...>> (snip) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250