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Michael Not one to usually indulge in off-topic discourse. You however are correct. Might we allow for the separation of religion/culture from the real essence of the Divine? One rarely has anything to do with the other. As for Sonny's observation about sex and the lack of stigma that it carries in Judaism, I respect his opinion, but where has he been hanging? Not at my family dinner table where there were both Jews and Catholics. There seemed to be a neck in neck neurosis derby concerning said topic from both sides of the Judeo-Christian divide with me not seeing a clear winner on either. No offense but sex and neurotic, irrational behaviour seems to go together like peanut butter and jelly. That, at least to my powers of observation appears to be one of the few universal truths. Different cultures may couch it in seemingly healthy ways, but it all comes down to weirdness in the end. I am in agreement that making the beast with two backs is indeed the best of the human experience, but a lack of stigma? Well.....uh....okay...... That and has anybody tried the new Boss RC-20XL? Todd -----Original Message----- From: mungenast@earthlink.net Sent: Jan 21, 2005 10:16 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Chinese Slave Labor (was Re: say no to urban skydiving Re: AW: Aunti Behringer) Good point, Michael. Question: which is worse: a theocracy, or a godless, dehumanizing bureaucratic regime? Answer: THEY BOTH SUCK! Just trying to be even-handed here (hee hee!) ~Tim -----Original Message----- From: mjnoble <not8ohm@iinet.net.au> Sent: Jan 20, 2005 9:49 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Chinese Slave Labor (was Re: say no to urban skydiving Re: AW: Aunti Behringer) ok, I'll bite on the OT flame... > billions of men who can't get laid and have nuclear weapons scare me. Just curious, but do they wear funny costumes and hang outside your house?! Or is it just the thought that scares you... I take it this is in jest given your exaggeration of population numbers, but it works both ways. the thought of millions of christians (not exactly the world's casanovas) with more nuclear weapons than the chinese and a written eschatology (a belief in the necessity of the end of the world) that demands the purging of non-christians scares me! Just the thought of someone with a finger on the trigger looking to prove the bible right has to inspire some form of anxiety... all in fun, michael