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>Still, I was hoping for something new. > >David I bet if you asked the question again without specifying "ambient" there'd be a lot of suggestions. Once or twice I used a special Vortex patch to post process the loop. At the press of a button the loop would be faded down and simultaneously fed to a short echo and plenty of processing. Sort of ending with an explosion. :-( don't suppose that's very ambient though. andy butler