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Ladies and Gentlemen Haven't we all proven our point here. Most of us are indeed hobbyist and doing this for love of it. No acclaim. No real money. No free drugs or nubile willing groupies. Just love and art that interests us. Why waste the energy slagging someone who is not particularly open or willing to dialogue on the subject. Mr. WindStick Devil, you may well be a genius musically. But be prepared to reap the consequence of broad over generalizations. This list is about the exchange of ideas and not slagging. Leave it die. Should you be willing to do so, I think the rest of the list will. I am a lurker and rarely pipe up. I appreciate the exchange of resources and ideas here. I realize that alot of what I do with my looping device is an utter load of wank only suitable for drug experiences and scaring my border collie. Degenerating into personally willful, vindictive agendas serves none of us. Sorry to appear too much Rodney King here, but can't we all........... Lurking