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I am not eligible for ASCAP healthcare, and I do understand the need for performers to perform. I have no problem with performers playing for free, or getting paid- it has to do with the agreement between the venue and the artist- they may have their reasons for whatever they decide. Cafes here in the Tampa area certainly use live music as a way to keep their business going on the weekends- if you shut the music off, and take the art off of the walls, certainly business would suffer. I don't think the argument is about playing for free- the café would have to pay these organizations for playing CDs- even local ones who happen to be affiliated with the performing rights organizations. Even if a TV was on, they have to pay a different organization. If you own a business, it just seems this is the cost of doing business. As a professional musician, ASCAP has helped me- even if it is a pain to business owners. No, I don't think ASCAP is entirely fair, and personally, I am distrustful of big organizations. As a looping artist, it is even harder to find gigs, and many places are small mom & pop shops. I don't mind playing for free there, but if they do use music to keep people spending money in their business, I don't mind if they have to pay ASCAP. Dave Eichenberger- http://www.hazardfactor.com > > Yeah, but as you resent the cafe owner collecting money at > the end of a night and driving home in his Merc, there are > plenty of coffeehouse musicians who aren't eligible for ASCAP > health care who aren't going to be moved by your dental care > windfall at the expense of their monthly gig. > > The reason to play places that don't pay you is that the need > to play music is great, the number of musicians willing to > play for no direct monetary compensation is large, and the > number of paying places is small. I mean, they don't pay the > painters who hang their art on the wall for a month either, > but artists need exposure, whereas cafes don't really need > local art and music. >