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Thanks a lot to you all for your advices...you are really helpful people !! I have to sit now, check all the links you gave me...take a pen and a paper and try to figure out what I will go for... I keep in touch with the list and will post some news when I get something working out. It is true it looks like a long journey ! I have to give it a try at least before considering simpler dedicated looper... Thanks again !! --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill <rs@moinlabs.de> a écrit : > With all the stuff you want to do, the approach is > to use a VST host > plus several plugins to do the stuff you like. > First question is the host: there are the > sequencer-based solutions - > Steinberg Cubase/Nuendo (the latter only mentioned > for completeness, as > it most probably is too "professional" for your > application), Sony > (formerly Sonic Foundry) ACID, Ableton Live! - did I > forget anything? > Then there are the more modular setups - these are > basically > applications which allow to freely connect VST (and > sometimes VSTi) > components and route your ASIO and MIDI interfaces > to and from them and > use automation. I can think of two right now, > AudioMulch and Plogue > Bidule. I have been working a little bit with > AudioMulch and it's a > great tool - most of the really professional people > seem to go for > Bidule. > > Then, you do all the effects (including loops and > sample triggering) > with VST(i) plugins. Live! comes with an acceptable > sampler for your D) > requirement, as well as some "normal" delays and a > cool and flexible > reverb which allows from normal up to completely > whacked (I think Per > here makes great use of it...). > > The plugins...do a search for "free VST plugin" to > get an overview on > the freeware/shareware/donateware stuff. The most > powerful looper (for > the PC) is afaik Mobius (basically eight > brother-synced EDP pairs), then > there's LloopyLama (a syncable DL4) and > AngstroLooper. There are TONS of > crazy effects on lots of sites - > smartelectronics.com would be the first > one which comes to (my) mind, but just do a search > on the web - they are > easy to find. > > So the "least number of components used" solution > for your requirements > might be Live! plus Mobius. > > Latency is in fact a function of the power of your > computer, the other > major influence being the interface hardware you > use. It works some like > this (hey, everyone here - please correct if this is > bullshit): First > you have a static latency caused by the interface > which brings the audio > data stream into your computer. This is an > idependent value for input > and output. Then, your ASIO driver layer uses input > and output buffers > to allow your application a certain freedom when > serving the inputs and > outputs. Bigger buffers means more latency. Smaller > buffers means more > strenuos requirements on how often (and how > regularily) your application > serves the input/output task. Some applications > allow you to set the > priority of these tasks (high priority here means > less performance > available for your creative tasks). And of yourse, > the "power" of your > computer plays a role here. Interface-wise, the > stuff by RME has earned > a great reputation with regard to low-latency > (haven'd tried their > devices myself - yet). > > The simple rule goes like this: Get a good > interface, set your ASIO > buffers short, set the I/O tasks to high priority, > then your latency is > very low - but you need a fast computer to still be > able to do something > useful. > > Rainer > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Romain [mailto:rtristelune@yahoo.fr] > Gesendet: Freitag, 10. Juni 2005 22:34 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: Re: Building A Sampler/Looper around a > barebone computer. > > > Thanks for the tips. I was interested in Linux > because > I believed it could be good in the looping > department > regarding latency...but Windows might be as good if > you tune it, and as you said, there is more > available > audio software. > > What I expect to get is: > A) A simple and good quality live looping. I mean > for > example, I press button 1 on the foot controller, > record let's say a guitar rythm, and if I press > button > 2 the rythm plays along, and if I play button 3, the > loop is saved but no played + some tricks about > quantization => the sample would be cut nicely, not > in > the middle of 2 beats !! > + ability to play stop the recorded loops > independantly > B) Some good delays and reverbs, switchable via foot > controller > C) Weird FX (bit-crusher, octaver) switchable as > well > D) Ability to trigger some pre-recorded samples as > well. > > I guess I can achieve this with little latency on a > pretty small computer with windows OS if I tune it > for > music only. > --- Jeff Larson <Jeffrey.Larson@Sun.COM> a écrit : > > > Romain Rochas wrote: > > > 3)- A pedal board => should be plugged directly > > via USB or Via a > > > MIDI->USB interface (Midiman) (any suggestions > ?) > > > > Behringer FCB 1010 with any single port MIDI->USB > > interface. > > > > > About software, I need: > > > 4) - a live processing main software which can > > loop and which can map > > > the pedal actions to actual sampling/processing > > command > > > > Well, this is a rather large topic that is > discussed > > at least > > once a month here and on many other forums. If > > you're determined > > to use Linux you should explore some forums > devoted > > to Linux audio > > applications. There are some good Linux looping > > applications such > > as SooperLooper and Freewheeling, but in general I > > think you will > > find that there aren't many choices unless you are > > willing to write > > your own software. By far the majority of audio > > applications run > > on Mac or Windows. > > > > > The idea will be to have the audio main > > application being launched at OS > > > startup, so I would'nt even need a screen (could > > display the presets > > > info on the pedal board ?) > > > > I doubt you will be able to do this without a > > screen. Even dedicated > > hardware devices have LCD's and LED's to give you > > some idea of what > > is happening. There are no pedal boards that I'm > > aware of that display > > messages sent to it by the computer. > > > > If you were more specific about exactly the kinds > of > > looping/sampling/fx > > functions you want you may get better advice. > But > > unless you can find > > what you need on Linux or are willing to invest > many > > months of time writing > > your own software, you will be better off buying a > > cheap Windows laptop > > or Mac Mini, learning about VST plugins, and > > exploring the very large world > > of audio software for those platforms. > > > > Jeff > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ___ > Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le > nouveau Yahoo! > Messenger > Téléchargez cette version sur > http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Yahoo! 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