Re: Mathematics, Prime Numbers, & Looping with the EDP

[Martin Tauchen <cul-baisser@t-online.de>]

 Hi,


recently I am working in this field of music for a long time,but 
unfortunately I had never ever success with it...eventhough the results are
sometimes exciting.

For such operations I use at least 6 DOD Dimension 12 to realize such 
sounds.

I know-the DOD Device is to most of you a kind of non-device (and I 
understand it).
But they were cheap and good enough to realize my ideas in a live Setup.
For longer delays and loops I use the Mac.

Each Dod will get feed by the same signal of the Monoguitar Rig....Can be 
also synth or whatever.

Each DOD has a different Delay time(as the Dod has only 12 seconds 
max.-the delaytimes for primes are 11/7/5/3/2/1 ).
This explains why I use six Dods in paralell row.

For some of you 12 seconds maybe poorly,but in a six shift of different 
times,this is really enough.

Layers of Layers are interacting and the result is really not to see thru.

And now the real deal !!!

Through a floorboard I route the six mono channels to my analog 
"synth"-gear wich has FM,real RM and so on.

What have we here ? An analog Waveshaping system wich reacts totally to 
the player.

Describe it as analog DX7 or Casio VZ.The results are quiet different.

The old Dods are wonderful machines for such a setup,because of low cost 
and a weird kind of analog feeling and
sound manipulation.

Think about it,what you want to loop,how you want to loop and that your 
stomach is always satisfied.


Martin



"Hartung, Kris" schrieb:

> I agree about the praxis part (can I say praxeological? Heh heh)...I 
>like to introduce or talk about ideas like this as "experiments of 
>thought" but quite frankly I don't have the patience or time to 
>mathematize my improvisational and performance approach.  I barely have 
>enough time to brush my teeth before a gig. For me at least, that sort of 
>thing sucks the life out of my effort of free improvisation, but I do 
>appreciate and am fascinated by those who apply these number theories and 
>systems to music. One's brain must be wired a certain way to get off on 
>that!  Anyone watch that US TV series Numbers? That's the sort of guy who 
>would apply Cantor's theory of diagonalization and infinite sets of 
>infinity to music!
>
> I like your idea of transposing your loops with various number 
>sequences. What software are you using? Mobius? I finally got Mobius 
>working great with my Behringer MIDI controller, but I just can't use it 
>at the same time as my VST host and VST effects on my laptop...massive 
>processor hogs.
>
> Kris
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 4:10 AM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: Mathematics, Prime Numbers, & Looping with the EDP
>
> On Jun 21, 2005, at 16:17, Hartung, Kris wrote:
>
> >> How about creating a looped piece by using the multiply function on
> >> the EDP and the series of prime numbers (only numbers that are
> >> divisible by themselves or 1).  For instance, you hit Record and lay
> >> down a 1 measure groove, then hit Multiply and record a 2 measure
> >> harmony over that groove from the beginning of the measure....hit
> >> Multiply to play the sequence, then hit Multiply again and record a 3
> >> measure texture part, again from the beginning of the first measure,
> >> and repeat this process with 5, 7, 11, 13, 15, 17, 19, etc measures
> >> adding various textures, melodies, etc. After a while you might have
> >> to write the song out on paper to keep track of the loops.
>
> As usual a very interesting post from Kris ;-)   I have been thinking
> about such matters too but never succeeded to use  anything similar in 
>praxis. In the early eighties I happened to record a radio piece of 
>Iannis Xenadis (Sandré) that brought me under the spell of numbers in 
>music. I used to calculate different tuning systems and melody/ scale 
>patterns with pen and paper while traveling but nothing sounded good and 
>inspired me to really use musically. I only had instruments, imagination 
>and a four track cassette tape porta studio to try things out, though. 
>Maybe the mistake I did was to implement the series tonally? I see Kris 
>is referring to timing in his post.
>
> Anyway, since Echoplex, Repeater and recording software came around the 
>world has changed quite a bit! I must say that today I like hands- on 
>experimenting in real-time much more than mathematical experimental 
>thinking ;-)  When recording live into looping software on my laptop, I 
>like to create midi sequences that re-pitch the loop according to certain 
>number series. This praxis can easily become overwhelming in complexity, 
>since what you play will be doubled in harmony and if you are brave to 
>layer a second line you will soon end up with four different paths to 
>relate to in your performance. That is too complex for me, so I usually 
>restrict the real-time transposing scale to something simple like a quint 
>note circle, simple octave jumps or a diminished chord (is that how you 
>say it in English? The chord like for example C, D# and F#). I also have 
>a whole note scaled pattern, i.e. creating a whole note scale if I should 
>loop a long single note. What it would throw back at me if I dared to 
>record a chromatic scale, I don't even dare to think about!!!  ;-)
>
> It was David Torn that, on this list, inspired me to start researching 
>how to play with dynamically transposed live loops. You could do that 
>with a Repeater, but starting out with MIDI cc#'s according to the manual 
>I did not get it right until Bill Walker told me that it also works with 
>plain MIDI note messages (a tip for you Repeater owners).
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
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