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hi folks, I kind of missed the EDP 8th Quantise SUB drum machine trigger thread, ...but here's some more info. to add to the general incomprehensibility. Andre LaFosse at one time had a drum machine which he configured as a MIDI controller for his EDP, and I remember reading that at one gig he set up a number of loops, and then ran a "drum program" to rapidly change between loops. I always thought that the drum machine was not used for it's sounds in this case. The technique that Bernhard Wagner (and a number of others) uses to create a fast "sequence" of evenly spaced notes was invented by me during the Beta testing of the Loop4 software for the EDP. The first ever available recording which features his technique is:- www.andybutler.com/mp3/backwater.mp3 Andre's ability to take an abstract loop, and turn it into a rhythmic loop is not dependant on the 8th quantise feature, though he certainly used it for this on occasion. Andre was very taken with 8th Quantise, and said that his music was greatly influenced by it, but he wasn't so keen on the idea of creating streams of regular 8th notes. He posted here describing the use of 8th Quantise, and advised "make sure you do some longer presses of Sub" so that the rhythm would be varied. From what Andre has said since, it seems he doesn't use Quantise so much now, preferring to rely on his own rhythmic accuracy to create a similar result. andy butler www.andybutler.com