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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, 09 September, 2005 15:08
PM
Subject: Re: BEATS NOT BOMBS in San
Francisco
Hahahahahahahaha....
<< hidden agendas >>
Look at the Right. All those bogus "think-tanks", i.e. Heritage
Foundation. These buzzards, and those like them, have been co-opting the
ability of Americans to think for many years. Finally, the Left has woken up
will begin funding their own "think tanks" to counter the years of propaganda
spewed by the Right.
And Harvard, Oxford, Brandeis - or for that matter the
speciously-named "Citizens for the American Way" - haven't just popped up
overnight, have they? The Left maintains their own dream and wishes to
enforce it, so how's that different to what you're going after?
How does anyone know YOU know what the hell you're talking about when you
characterize these organizations? I already heard nonsensical stuff coming
from the Right that, for example, the MoveOn.org is a Communist
organization.
Ah, but when I express my opinion I don't think
everyone should share it. As far as moveon.org goes,
they're a group of people previously hypnotised by Al "Pay Me" Gore, who just
can't get with the fact that it's 2005, and can't do what their domain name
pretends it wants to do, while spamming with a nearly evangelistic ferocity.
Stephen Goodman <spgoodman@earthlight.net>
wrote:
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, 09 September, 2005
13:42 PM
Subject: Re: BEATS NOT BOMBS in San
Francisco
<< Of course quite a few so-called "anti-war" types are
quite often something more - "anti-democracy", or "anti-capitalism",
"leftist", "socialist", communist", or plain old
"anti-Republican". >>
And some of them like blueberry pancakes.
Not an answer. You don't generally hide a
predilection for pancakes, whereas the Stop the War group is funded greatly
by folks whose main agenda has nothing to do with the war. That wasn't
a very good attempt at deflection, and I didn't categorize anyone except
with respect to a hidden agenda anyway.
Some of them also like to sunbathe or visit museums. It's foolish to
categorize people into one of two camps. The common practice of the Right
to discuss, bash, trash, etc. so-called "Liberals" is a case in point.
What the hell is a Liberal anyway? People have many
varieties/combinations/permutations of beliefs. If I don't particularly
believe in the efficacy of the death penalty, does that make me a
Liberal?
Again, irrelevant.
It's an age-old tactic to create a "bogeyman" a la Goldstein in
Orwell's '1984'. In the 21st century in the US, it's the "Liberals" who
are the bogeyman.
In your case, a Straw man huh?
The Windmeister
Stephen Goodman
<spgoodman@earthlight.net> wrote:
Actually
it becomes incumbent upon people who take on the "anti-war" mantle
to accurately identify their political affiliation(s) so that the
public -
the people they're trying to win over to their argument -
will know what the
agenda really is. Of course quite a few so-called
"anti-war" types are
quite often something more - "anti-democracy",
or "anti-capitalism",
"leftist", "socialist", communist", or plain
old "anti-Republican". Funny
how this is rarely done. What do such
folks have to hide, and why? Is it
because their actual agenda is
known to turn off people who would otherwise
be hoodwinked
effectively into supporting something which, if they really
thought
about it, may be repugnant to them? I've found a disturbing
tendency
on the part of protest movements in the past 15 years or so to be
less concerned with whether they're VIEWED as "right" than whether
they're
actually "right" or not. For me Political Correctness
(spawned during a
particular non-Republican's term) is nothing more
than the outgrowth of
someone else's inane need to oppress others
through imitation
intellectualism and cooked numbers. Individuals of
all kinds and colors
tend to rebel against this when they know what
it actually is, which is most
likely why some items are often
blurred a bit or put under a banner
presenting something "more
palatable" and therefore easier to SELL.
Alas, honesty is still
the best policy, and not just for "someone else". I
suppose I'm some
kind of "bigot" for expressing this opinion. Beware
however -
expressing an individual opinion is usually averse to the
interests
of the Left, or for that matter cults like Scientology.
I was
asked to play a London event in 2002 that was initially described to
me as a "gathering of like-minded people", then it was said to me
that it
was "in the interest of peace", and finally described to me
as an "anti-Bush
rally". I persist in the belief that politics
should be peoples' own
business, and I don't care for GroupThink
either. If this makes me a
conservative, then I guess I'm one of
those, but not in all manners. I also
make it a point not to adhere
to stereotypes, or other pre-constructed
expectations. I suppose
doing so could make me a "contrarian", or perhaps
just a
non-conformist. I prefer the latter.
It's a good thing that in
San Francisco (and the rest of the United States
of America) you
can't be imprisoned without trial and put to death just for
expressing an opinion that opposes some Ayatollah's Fundamentalist
Regime.
No, Pat Robertson doesn't even come close.
Stephen
Goodman
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Shirkey"
To:
Sent: Friday, 09 September,
2005 06:05 AM
Subject: Re: BEATS NOT BOMBS in San
Francisco
>
> On Sep 9, 2005, at 12:03 AM, Larry
wrote:
>
>> You're dead-on, Matthew: this anti-war stuff
is the typical, knee-jerk
>> response of far-left-wing
America-haters.
>
> And thanks for your own knee-jerk
response that does nothing more than
> stereotype all anti-war
sentiments as the "knee jerk responses of
> far-left-wing
America-haters." Yep, I'm glad you took the time to think
> that
one through. Personally, I prefer the anti-war sentiments to the
> pro-war ones. Call me "crazy"--or "left-wing," or "anti-
American,"
> or...(fill in the blank with your preferred
stereotype of the moment).
>
>
Jeff
>
>
>
>
>
>
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