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No, not too calm, Adrian: I'm just a really intense, neurotic, anxiety-prone guy TRYING to be a calm person. But not *actually* calm. There is a difference ;-) Yours in Waiting Rooms, Tim > [Original Message] > From: Adrian Bartholomew <adrian@bartholomusic.com> > To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> > Date: 9/13/2005 12:27:10 AM > Subject: Re: Devil's AdvocateRE: Dear RED STATES > > maybe ur too calm > ___ > Adrian Bartholomew > Leawood KS > On Sep 12, 2005, at 7:24 PM, Stephen Goodman wrote: > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Adrian Bartholomew > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Sent: Monday, 12 September, 2005 20:36 PM > > Subject: Re: Devil's AdvocateRE: Dear RED STATES > > > > > > ___ > > Adrian Bartholomew > > Leawood KS > > On Sep 12, 2005, at 2:22 PM, Stephen Goodman wrote: > > > > > > From: "Timothy Mungenast" <mungenast@earthlink.net> > > To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> > > Sent: Monday, 12 September, 2005 17:23 PM > > Subject: Devil's AdvocateRE: Dear RED STATES > > > > > > > > Sounds good, but I'd miss ZZ Top, I'd miss Moon Pies, and besides, > > I've got > > a whole passel of red-state relatives who think Dubya is just great. > > I'm not sure that re-starting the Civil War is the answer. > > Let's try to understand Bush supporters-- aside from a few cynical > > plutocrats, most Bush supporters are basically good-hearted folks > > (like my > > Mom) who were raised in very socially conservative households and would > > vote for a bag of popcorn if it ran on a ProLife platform. Anything > > that > > even vaguely smells of hippiedom is anathema to them. > > > > Not really. I'm a Republican but somehow not a raving fundamentalist > > drone. > > Whoops, that one doesn't work. Neither does the line being > > continuously fed > > through the media about the 2000 and 2004 elections somehow causing a > > permanent divide in our country. Somehow it only seems to exist in the > > minds of people who can't um, 'move on'. > > > > so do u blame the folks who get married and then divorced. the 66% of > > them? and growing? or do u investigate what the institution itself > > means in this day and this age? > > do u question the folks who cant drive properly and who misuse a car > > out of lack of "car" knowledge or do u recall the car as not fit for > > the society that drives it? > > > > ...cant "move on"???? > > Take your meds and calm down. > > > > > > They would help you if they found you lying in the middle of the road. > > Your > > wallet would be safe. They work hard for their families, and they're so > > busy working their butts off making a living that they really don't > > have > > time to read the news. THAT'S KEY. > > And honestly, they've been underwhelmed by the Democrats' > > less-than-awesome > > marketing of less-than-inspiring candidates who kinda lacked charisma, > > whereas Dubya has this aura that makes ya think he wants to be your > > drinkin' buddy. It's a gift that not everybody has. > > Look at Gore. He was a Southerner, a VietNam vet, a sportsman, a > > genuine > > bubba, and still the Red States would have none of it. The fact that > > they > > chose Captain AWOL over Gore points to feeble Democratic campaigning > > and, > > possibly, Al's stiff public persona. > > Even when you have a good product, ya gotta sell, sell, sell. Ditto for > > Kerry. A good guy, but you can't afford to shoot yourself in the foot > > when > > you are up against the GOP, the best salesmen the world has ever seen. > > And > > Kerry did shoot himself in the foot more than a few times. > > The Red Staters had reasons to vote for Dub. We may not be able to > > fully > > comprehend those reasons, but WE CANNOT write these people off as > > HeeHaw > > goofballs and inbred haters. You will not win over anybody if you > > insult > > them, contrary to what Howard Dean thinks. Resist the urge. Reach out. > > Try > > to find some common ground. > > Sonic Luv, > > Tim Mungenast > > > > > > > > > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Luis Angulo <labalou2000@yahoo.com> > > To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> > > Date: 9/12/2005 4:34:22 AM > > Subject: Dear RED STATES > > > > This sounds great if you dont mind i am coming with > > you;-! > > > > > Dear Red States... > > > > > > We've decided we're leaving. We intend to form our > > > own country, and we're > > > taking just the Blue States with us. > > > > > > In case you aren't aware, that includes Hawaii, > > > California, Oregon, > > > Washington, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois > > > and all the Northeast. > > > We believe this split will be beneficial to the > > > nation, and especially to > > > the people of the new country. > > > > > > To sum up briefly: You get Texas, Oklahoma and all > > > the slave states. We get > > > stem cell research and the best beaches. We get > > > Elliot Spitzer. You get Ken > > > Lay. > > > > > > We get the Statue of Liberty. We get Hollywood and > > > Yosemite... You get > > > Dollywood. We get Intel and Microsoft. You get > > > WorldCom and Enron. We get > > > Harvard. You get Ole' Miss. We get 85 percent of > > > America's venture capital > > > and entrepreneurs. You get Alabama. We get > > > two-thirds of the tax revenue, > > > you get to make the red states pay their fair share. > > > > > > Since our aggregate divorce rate is 22 percent lower > > > than the Christian > > > Coalition's, we get a bunch of happy families. You > > > get a bunch of single > > > moms. > > > > > > Please be aware that the new country will be > > > pro-choice and anti-war, and > > > we're going to want all our citizens back from Iraq > > > at once. If you need > > > people to fight, ask your politicians and > > > evangelicals. They have kids > > > they're apparently willing to send to their deaths > > > for no purpose, and they > > > don't care if you don't show pictures of their > > > children's caskets coming > > > home. We do wish you success in Iraq, and hope that > > > the WMDs turn up, but > > > we're not willing to spend our resources in Bush's > > > Quagmire. > > > > > > With the Blue States in hand, we will have firm > > > control of 80 percent of the > > > country's fresh water, more than 90 percent of the > > > pineapple and lettuce, 92 > > > percent of the nation's fresh fruit, 95 percent of > > > America's quality wines > > > (you can serve French wines at state dinners) 90 > > > percent of all cheese, 90 > > > percent of the high tech industry, most of the U.S. > > > low-sulfur coal, all > > > living redwoods, sequoias and condors, all the Ivy > > > and Seven Sister schools, > > > plus Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Cal Tech and MIT. > > > > > > With the Red States, on the other hand, you will > > > have to cope with 88 > > > percent of all obese Americans (and their projected > > > health care costs), 92 > > > percent of all U.S. mosquitoes, nearly 100 percent > > > of the tornadoes, 90 > > > percent of the hurricanes, 99 percent of all > > > Southern Baptists, virtually > > > 100 percent of all televangelists, Rush Limbaugh, > > > Bob Jones University, > > > Clemson and the University of Georgia. > > > > > > Additionally, 38 percent of those in the Red states > > > believe Jonah was > > > actually swallowed by a whale, 62 percent believe > > > life is sacred unless > > > we're discussing the death penalty or gun laws, 44 > > > percent say that > > > evolution is only a theory, 53 percent that Saddam > > > was involved in 9/11, and > > > 61 percent of you crazy bastards believe you are > > > people with high morals. > > > > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Yahoo! 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