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After they bump into you the first time, use a well placed leg to send them on their asses. Do it again if they come by again. And again. Even the most stoned moron will figure it out. Dig PS - maybe this ethic comes from my punk rock roots, where the pit was the pit, but if you went too far astray, you got what you deserved. Todd Howell wrote: >Mark > >I am beginning to get to the same place. I understand the need to move >and physically express joy to music. A very necessary thing at some >level. On the other hand, being so cluster-f*ckingly self absorbed as to >dance into people and being completely disrespectful of their personal >space and enjoyment of the concert is just plain unacceptable. Most of >these particular folk are on some manner of chemically-based agenda in >relation to the music. I've no problem with that, being that I've enjoyed >certain moments of chemically induced musical appreciation on many an >occasion, though that is no longer a possibility while trying to go to >school and pay a mortgage. The whole self-absorbed aspect of that manner >of behaviour seems off-putting. It all boils down to basic respect for >the artist and your fellow audiwnce members. And unfortunately, there is >a complete drought of such behaviour. I am to the point where I only go >to see live music 7-10 times a year any more. Too many headaches, >including parking, price, other concert-goers, onwards to poor sound >quality and crap venues. What about you? I realize alot of this is a >function of age and am willing to be consider an old f*rt. > >Ideas? > >He who lurks......... > >Todd > >-----Original Message----- >From: mark sottilaro <zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com> >Sent: Oct 10, 2005 2:40 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: why do we play live? (mini Adrian Belew review too!) > >I hear you Ted. Oh I hear you. Though, oddly enough >I've enjoyed your performances each time I've seen >you. > >Here's another bit: > >Why do I go see live music? > >Friday I went to see Adrian Belew at Slim's in SF. As >always Adrian was great. He seems comfortable and >downright gleeful on stage running through his set. >However, I left thinking I'd never go to another show >again. Why? A few reasons. > >One: TOO FUCKING LOUD. I'm sick of going to shows >that are so loud you need ear protection. Your choice >is then to hurt yourself or hear a muddy muffled >version. When shows can cost as much as $80 a ticket >(Hi Prince!) you'd think a well balanced audio set up >can be expected, but this is rarely the case in my >experience. I've been at Adrian Belew and King >Crimson shows that were so loud I needed ear >protection. > >Two: Over zealous dancers. Friday night much of the >time was spent trying to get away from or ignore to >smelly idiots who seem to think that dancing wildly in >a crowded club is OK. To them: I'm sorry your father >never paid attention to you and I know you feel that >no one loves you, but regardless, we didn't come to >see you so please settle down and enjoy the show. Do >aerobics at your gym. > >Three: I'm 5'7" and my girlfriend is 5'. We had a >hard time seeing a damn thing most of the night. > >So, I've kind of sworn myself off live music for the >time being. Each time I go I end up disappointed. >Maybe this is why I generally avoid playing live as >well. > >--- ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > > > >>Well, >> >>As some one who just played Y2K3 last night and who >>is currently >>listening to the live stream of Billy "Gee-tar Man" >>Walker -- sweeping >>the floor of all other pretenders -- I have to say >>definatively . . . >> >>I dunno . . . >> >>It's a kind of "mountain" that I psych myself up to >>climb a half dozen >>times (sometimes more, sometmes less) a year. I am >>very seldom >>ever satisfied with these "climbing" experiences. I >>too often go ill >>prepared (or equipped) and wind up sliding halfway >>down a glacier >>on my sorry ass. Sometimes it happens even when I am >>perfectly >>well prepared and outfitted too. >> >>The rare "satisfying" performances seem to come >>entirely at >>random and unexpectly. There seems to be no >>"science" to it. All >>of my disciplined preperations (if and when I apply >>myself) seem >>to have little to no affect on the outcome actually. >>They seem >>to amount to little more than a more elaborate form >>of "crossing >>my fingers" and/or some sort of offeratory to the >>gods of "guilt" >>and "responsibility." And . . . I don't want t let >>anyone down. >> >>I suppose I perform live because I keep hoping for >>that next repeat >>of the rare, blissful, play-my-ass-off, >>my-fingers-can-do-no-wrong, >>where-the-hell-is-this-music-coming-from (surely not >>me?) experience. >>For only having had a taste of it a few times I am >>still certainly addicted >>nonetheless. I need it now as surely as a junky >>needs a fix. >> >>But why? God, I wish I knew. Sometimes I think I'd >>go into rehab and >>"take the cure" to be rid of it for all the grief >>it's caused me. Then, >>at other times, I'd trade my left nut to taste of >>that bliss again. >> >>Best regards, >> >>tEd ® kiLLiAn >> >>PS. Buy "Flux Aeterna" from CDBaby during the months >>of September >>and October and all of my portion of the profits >>will be automatically >>donated to the Red Cross by CDBaby specifically for >>Gulf Coast >>hurricane relief. >> >>"Different is not always better, but better is >>always different" >> >>http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html >>http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian >>http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html >>http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina >> >> >> >http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 > > >http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 > > >http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 > > >>Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: >>Apple iTunes, >>BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, >>Napster, >>AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, >>Etherstream, >>RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, >>Puretracks, >>and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. >>So??? >> >> >> > > > > > >__________________________________ >Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > >