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But what exactly constitutes a "commercial" box? I'm not seeing this hard distinction being drawn in their online sales sites. For things like kitchen appliances, you go to a restaurant supply store and find that everything costs way more--like, $300 toasters. It looks pretty much like a $30 toaster you buy at Sears, but all the components are heavier so it can stand up to commericial duty cycles (such as making 500 pieces of toast, every day for years). It seems to me that a "commercial" lap top would weigh a couple pounds more and be visibly bulkier than a consumer unit, the ports would all have rubber gasket covers to keep water/sand/whatever out, the screen would have some super scratch resistant coating, etc. I don't see that in the HP or Thinkpad models that have been discussed, they just seem to have a faster processor, bigger hard drive and more ram. It's like someone's Civic with a bunch of bolt-on performance parts as opposed to something that's a racing chassis by design. And if you say that your consumer grade HP laptop has held up to all sorts of physical abuse, then it appears that the issue is more one of performance and not physical ruggedness, which was my concern when this sub-thread first started, i.e. how well will a laptop hold up to road conditions, being dropped on the floor, having cable yanked out by passing strangers, etc. TravisH On 10/26/05, Kris Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote: > And now > my personal laptop is starting to crap out and get the "blue screen of > death." I'm in trouble, because this is my music notebook...I should >have > taken my wife's advice, and NEVER have bought that consumer model > notebook...bad, bad, bad...I learned a big lesson. I should have spent >an > extra grand for a commercial box with an M processor, XP Pro, etc. > > Also, regarding your statement below, I might argue with that when it >comes > to "some" commercial boxes. I have had my work notebook, the NC model, >for > over three years, using it 10-14 hours a day...it is on 24 hours a day. >I've > taken it on business trips, yanked it around to meeting rooms, dropped >it in > its bag, worked on the plane where people in front of me jammed their >seat > back into my display, worked in hotels, in bed when my back was hurt, > etc.....I expect this thing will easily last another two years. You are > right about the insurance, or what we like to refer to as extended > warranties in PC land, or Care Packs in HP. You'll note that with the > expensive commercial boxes like the HP NC models and IMB models, you >often > get 3 year warranties. This is another reason why enterprise level >companies > buy these commercial boxes.