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> "Hell, any science grad student will tell you that the majority of > experiments fail..." yeah, that's a good thing in science as it turns out from a learning standpoint, and in experimenal music too in my opinion. I recall a quote from Miles Davis, something to the effect that if you aren't making mistakes, you aren't playing jazz. It feel the same applies to improv and most experimental music. In fact, I think of improv/exp music as just a big pool of mistakes and succeses, all working together to create a holistic product....sometimes reviewers get got up in the little things and miss the big picture of the significance of experimental music. Historically, this is relative. What is now pop was at one point in time somewhat experimental? Perhaps. Pop music in the rennassance era? Good grief, they might have thought it was noise/devil music. Hell, the flatted fifth interval was specifically referred to as the devil's interval. Now it is the cornerstone interival of blues and jazz, along with the "blue note." Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timothy Mungenast" <mungenast@earthlink.net> > "Hell, any science grad student will tell you that the majority of > experiments fail..." > > Hee hee! Good one... > ~Tim > > > > [Original Message] > > From: David Trenkel <improv@peak.org> > > To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> > > Date: 10/27/2005 1:34:26 PM > > Subject: Re: Looping back to Krispen's old critics thread (was sorta: > using laptops for music" > > > > On Wednesday, October 26, 2005, at 08:36 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: > > > > > Oh yes, another poor and innocent virgin listener, violated by the > > > horrific > > > maw of experimental music...and of course, he feels compelled to >share > > > his > > > experience with the world. :) > > > > Well, he is a critic, after all :-) > > > > Actually, I think he gives a fairly open-minded assessment of the > > performances, and, having seen a number of the artists involved in the > > festival, I tend to agree with his opinions on the various performers. > > Keith Rowe is amazingly great, I remember the first time I saw AMM, at > > the duMaurier fest in Vancouver BC in the early 90's, just being > > stupefied at his subtlety and artistry. I left that performance feeling > > like my ears had been permanently rewired. I disagree with his take on > > Greg Kelley, Greg's doing something that I think is very new and > > virtuosic on trumpet. Plus, he's a hell of a nice guy. But I do feel > > that some of the new non-idiomatic improv, experimental, "lower-case > > sound" or whatever they're calling it this week is overrated in some > > parts of the music press, particularly The Wire magazine. I've been to > > too many performances where nothing happens, and it's all done with > > such seriousness of intent, that I long for something, ANYTHING to > > happen. I know from personal experience that there are wankers and > > charlatans in experimental music world, just like any other music > > scene, and just because an artist is doing something "experimental" > > they shouldn't be automatically above criticism. Hell, any science grad > > student will tell you that the majority of experiments fail... > > > > > > > > Kris > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Tim Nelson" <psychle62@yahoo.com> > > > To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 6:28 PM > > > Subject: Looping back to Krispen's old critics thread (was sorta: using > > > laptops for music" > > > > > > > > >> yIKES! > > >> > > >> I just found this and found it somewhat amusing, scary > > >> and, what's more, fairly on-topic. :P > > >> > > >> <http://indyweek.com/durham/2003-02-26/music.html> > > >> > > >> -t- > > >> > > >> np: zoë keating: one cello x 16: natoma > > >> <http://www.zoekeating.com/> > > >> cued up: the twin atlas: sun township > > >> <http://www.thetwinatlas.com/> > > >> later: miles davis: agharta > > >> <http://www.progreviews.com/reviews/display.php?rev=md-agh> > > >> then: einojuhani rautavaara: cantus arcticus > > >> <http://virtual.finland.fi/netcomm/news/ > > >> showarticle.asp?intNWSAID=26170> > > >> maybe, probably: pseudo buddha: motive > > >> <http://www.unclebuzz.com/outofprint.html> > > >> followed by: robert rich: somnium > > >> <http://www.robertrich.com/rrsomnium.html> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> __________________________________ > > >> Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > > >> http://mail.yahoo.com > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > >