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Interesting, so don't map my Berinner MIDI button directly to the substitute function, but to Insert and set it to Substitute in the EDP control panel. Okay. Thanks, Andy. I'll give that try. I guess that is what you would do with the EDP controller anyway, since it has the insert button. However, I liked the substitute mode in SUS so I don't have to hit the button twice. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "a k butler" <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 3:38 PM Subject: Re: EDP Settings for Using Subsitute and Quantize by 8th Notes > > > I set my quantize to 8th notes, but I need to know what Switches > > and Timing parameter settings to use to get the following to work > > right: Press Record, play a few measures of 8th note melody work, > > press record again to play back, start playing some longer duration > > notes and hit the Substitute button a bunch of times in a row while > > you're playing...the result is an interesting rhythmic effect with > > those little 8th note slices of material popping in and out, all > > quantized to 8th notes. The problem is that the way I have my > > Switches and Timing parameters set now, when I try this, the > > subtituted notes pop in but then after the first cycle of looping, > > everything stops...no sound. I'm guessing that I need to change one > > of the first four settings (along the EDP conrol panel or buttons) > > under Switches and Timing, such as Record Mode, Overdub Mode, Round > > Mode, Loop/Delay, etc. Any recommendations on what these should be set at? > > You need to set > InsertMode = Sub > and use Insert for the substitutes. > The Direct MIDI substitute doesn't have the "bugfix" behaviour, > so if you release the Subst before it starts the EDP will just go permanently > into Substitute (and erase the loop). > > Quantise = 8th > 8th/cycle = 8 (or whatever) > > > > You don't have to start by playing 8th notes if you don't want to :-) > > These days I start with a loop of 7+ seconds of ambient. > Then hit mult, > ...wait for the 000 to disappear, > and straight away hit rec. > > That way I get a nice loop length for 8th stuff. > > The thing that people find hard is that it's real easy to keep > replacing the same notes, and harder to do the ones you missed. > Not such a problem if you play a melody that floats over the rhythm, > and then just pick out some notes from that. > > Another trick is play a 3 beat rhythm > 1.............2..........3..........1..........2...........3..... > note......foot.....rest.......note......foot........rest......... > which can quickly replace all the notes in the sequence. > > > > It's better to "Sub" after hitting the note, rather than simultaneous >with it. > > refer to "Backwater", on my cd, or from y2k5 > > andy butler > > > > > > > > >