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...in my world, a tube amplifier is not be the quality reference any more, not just because the technology is overcome, but because its sound served in a revolutionary phase which is over. besides, it always makes sense to save some to remind of that phase - ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org Matthias, with all due respect, i am glad you prefaced that quip with: "in my world". TUBES are probably the most important sound factors 'in my world'. that will never change. "revolutionary phase"? if its a phase-its a long one :-) peace&love staninsanfran