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Hello All - Long time looper, first time poster. I joined this list a few days ago hoping it was still intact and I have been amazed at the amount of activity and quality dialogue. It's like in the blind melon video when the little girl in the bee suit finds all the people dancing in bee suits in the field. Well, sort of. I apologize if you are on the Max/MSP list too, because i just gave my little intro speech there moments ago. I am trying to transition myself from hermetic soldering musician to hermetic soldering musician with some sense of community. So I am getting on all these lists that I should have joined years ago. These are the things I do - my music - http://www.theoverclock.com my hobby job - http://www.rocknrollmachines.com me and my friends - http://nyconduit.com my job - http://www.native-instruments.com I have been using reaktor and fm7 embedded inside Max/MSP for awhile to do my looping business, but recently with the addition of some new home made midi controllers i found it smoother and more fun to rebuild the entire system in Max/MSP without the vst parasites. So far so good. I have a lot of work to do to smooth out the process and add features but hopefully sometime soon I can upload a stand-alone app of my looping system for others to play with. In other news - I have been getting down and dirty with the building of custom midi controllers, thanks to the Midibox architecture and (my favorite) the MidiTron from eric singer. So if anyone likes the idea of having a custom midi control, but doesn't like the idea of making it themselves give me a holler. back to the loop - b