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>> Now, as Brian wrote, if the midi gurus on this list (I don't >> belong to them) >> could try to develop and agree on a specification ... On Dec 17, 2005, at 11:17, a k butler wrote: > Is that project still viable when we all say it has to be > programmable by the user? I don't necessarily say so. If not making it programmable can keep costs down I would go with that. But that's only because I know that most of my looping tools are software based and will let me assign needed function to whatever controller data sent out by the physical controller. Speaking about design, I think twelve buttons and one pedal is optimal. Since portability is important, buttons have to be crammed into a small area but yet not blocking the way for other buttons. One idea might be to look at the piano with a first row of lower (white) buttons and a second row of higher (black") buttons. For example, the design mistake with the Behringer FCB1010 is that both rows of buttons are designed of the same height. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen