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I like your diagrams, Steve. So, what happens when you make loop three the master sync loop? When do the loops 1 and 2 start over again relative to this loop? In other words, when loop 3 ends, do loops 1 and 2 start over, or keep on going? If the latter, then how are they synced to loop 3? Maybe you are saying that they can't be. Or when your loop 1 and loop 2 are different lenghts, and you make the longer one the master? Can you diagram that and show what happens to the excess Xs or Os? Does the shorter loop repeat and go only part of the way to fill in the space of the longer loop? Kris > loop one (ambient goo) - > > Xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > loop 2 (ambient goo synced to loop 1 length doubled) > > ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo > > together - > > XxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxXxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo > > loop three comes along, rhythmic loop, different length to others, > unsynced - > > zzzEzzzEzzzEzzzEzzzE