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On Feb 8, 2006, at 8:14 PM, Kelly Coyle wrote: > Have you looked at MachineDrum? I think it has many of the > qualities you are looking for, and is hella cool besides. The MachineDrum is essentially the ultimate in retro drum machines from the standpoint of being very grid oriented. You don't have any choice but to be quantized. I'm not sure what it does with velocity information from external sources. I really like my MachineDrum but I might have been just as happy and saved a chunk of money by going with an Electribe of some sort. What none of the drum machines I've encountered do is let you set the loop length on the fly. They are generally oriented toward specifying a pattern length and a tempo. The original Handsonic is a typical Roland product in that they've got most of the pieces but they don't get it quite right. It's got more or less the same effects as the SP-808 but you can't readily hook the parameter knobs to the effects the way you can on the SP-808. It's got a sequencer, but it isn't really useful for improvising. Etc. Mark