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let's not forget the seminal selt-titled CD: Holland Skin Tunnel and while we're getting off the beaten track, i can only assume someone mentioned: Muslimgauze & :Zoviet France: & that Ritchie Hawtin/Plastikman album where some experimental (german i think) guy built a double-armed turntable to re-make one of Plastikman's drone-y beats albums. primitive but all-the-more-effective-for-it looping. ah yes, the good ole days... -3nki