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> Yep, to me a loop says, "Freedom." > G Speaking of which, does anyone find it easier to freely improvise when you aren't using layers and layers of effects, tone mangling devices, etc? I've found this to be the case with me. I love all the cool effects at my disposal - the Boss VF-1, hundreds of VST effects, LXP5, etc - but they sometimes produce artificial restrictions or boundaries on my creativity. I tend to be more intentionally and genuinely creative, and less enamored and influenced by technology, when I just play with a clean guitar sound with just a touch of reverb and delay for ambiance. You have nothing but the notes, basically, no window dressing to distract the creative process. I'm sure this is quite subjective and relative, but I'd be curious what others think of this. I guess just the simple sound of the guitar forces me to think more out of the box, rather than relying on the box. For example, you have a effect patch that has two octaves and panning delays that go on forrrrrrrever....you play one "note"...just one human data-point of interaction, and the gear takes credit for the rest of the interesting sound for the next minute. And I start to think to myself, what is really creative about that? I could play 10 notes in 3 minutes and produce a song that requires very little creative energy. It would be interesting to take all of our looping songs and strip every single cool effect from them, resulting in just the initially, humanly generated notes and natural sound of the instrument...what might we discover? How much of the intrigue of the song is generated by the gear vs. human creative energy? These are just open questions for discussion. I'm not necessarily making any categorical point here. And in this regard, I really respect a lot of the work of Derek Bailey, where its just him and his hollowbody guitar...quite amazing what a guy can do with just a guitar and amp. ...I'm off to bed now. It's been a long day. Kris