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There are several points that I surprisingly have not seen brought up as to the inherent value of looping. I can expand my sonic palette, so to speak while in the process. My expression is no longer limited by the availability of other musicians. Also, and for me the most important aspect, is the ability to place myself in an environment where I'm "working without a net"- I sold all the gear I had that had an "undo" or "erase" function to achieve this. Once your in your in. No pussyfooting. I've played keyboards for over 30 years starting with piano. The first stage is the "naive" phase where you're getting your feet wet and there is a sense of wonder in playing even (and because of) tho you have no knowledge as to theory + technique. Simple things sound great. 2nd stage we try to gain control, technique and understanding of the music process. We want to be respected as "musicians" and learn theory to make "sense" of what we're doing. A lot of the fun is replaced with a sense of small strides + accomplishments laboriously exercising muscles repetitiously. At this point I was a victim of my own cliches. 3rd stage is the beauty. Technique becomes second nature. All the knowledge + tools we've developed fade to a place deep within us and we approach playing music more like we did in the 1st phase where it was actually exciting. No mental exercises. No being clever. No illusion of control. And yet, we've expanded our vocabularies so that we're capable of much more but not bound by it. Years ago I became bored with everything I played. I tried many ways to "jump start" my creative process. I traded in my extensive midi keyboard gear and opted to go back to pure piano ala Keith Jarrett (not as good but who is?)-That was great for 10 minutes 'till I had the old nagging feeling that there was still something missing. Sold the piano gear and tried to play the stick with a midi hookup. This was an attempt to recapture the naive 1st stage and recreate my early learning process. Got frustrated after 8 months and gained a new appreciation for my keyboard proficiency. For me, music is discovery. It's exploration. I create nothing but am afforded the privilege of being a portal where the music can pass through. The music is simply better than I'll ever be. Looping is about fear and trust if I'm doing it right + keeping myself (ego) out of it. There are no mistakes. I currently use a Boomerang+ and a Lexicon Vortex. Sound sources are a Wavestation SR and a Korg N1r. All this is triggered by a Roland AX-1 controller (strap-on) with a ribbon. The ribbon is essential for it allows me to achieve a more intimate contact with the notes for vibrato, pitch bend, hammer-ons, whatever. I always envied the string players ability to "touch" the sound source. A trade-off I suppose, for most guitarists I know try hard to "change" their sounds which comes easier to keyboardists. I've gotten off track. Appropriate. Thanks for letting me share. (:> We loop because we can- Lee Maravel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com