Vortex, fuzz, Ted Killian's caramel ring mod setting Re: Vortex ina rock band

[mungenast@earthlink.net]

Thanks for your thoughtful and useful advice, Andy!
I appreciate your wisdom.

" if you mean playing with a "professional" pa "

I run my rig mono into an ancient tube amp, but yeah, I will try your 
ideas. The factory presets do sound pretty nice, in a "livingroom" kind of 
way, but yeah, I can see how they would need to be tweaked for the special 
task of being heard over the drums and cymbals etc.

I find the same trouble with fuzz. It's great for solo gigs, but in a 
band, somehow the waveform just gets lost in the cymbals, even when I have 
the box set loud enough for infinite feedback. Funny, I can feel my back 
getting pulverized by the sound from my amp, but I can't really hear it. 
Not sure how Jimi got away with it, exceept that I am not going through a 
painfully loud plexi Super Lead like he was. (LOL) Fuzz is a strange 
animal. So is sound in general!

Now if I can get the Vortex to make Ted Killian's molten caramel ring 
modulation, which was part of why I bought a Vortex in the first place, I 
can die happy ;-)

With Gratitude,
Tim


-----Original Message-----
>From: a k butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk>
>Sent: Mar 24, 2006 4:49 AM
>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>Subject: Vortex in a rock band
>
>
>>Speaking of rock gigs, have any of you ever used a Vortex in a rock 
>>band, live? I find that many oif the patches that sound great in the 
>>living room just disappear amid the bass and drums.
>
>hi Tim
>
>I didn't have a problem in a rehearsal studio type situation,
>but if you mean playing with a "professional" pa then I'd
>think about making easy uncomplicated sounds that a "sound guy"
>might be able to live with.
>
>Generally the fine details of a patch are always going be somewhat 
>lost when you blend your guitar with other sounds. An echo at low 
>volume will tend to disappear completely.
>In any case, what sounds good on solo guitar isn't always going to 
>work in a band context.
>
>the supplied vortex presets are probably worth avoiding
>
>Try going for simpler echoes,
>turn up the echo volume, and turn down the no. of repeats.
>Use simpler values for echo divide ( like putting them both = 2)
>
>...and plenty of Vortex extreme modulation brought in with the pedal :-)
>
>andy butler
>www.andybutler.com mp3 and home of the Vortex Database
>
>