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last year i downloaded the free demo of RadiaL and had a play around with it pretty cool i thought, and this was before they added all the new features while i had it i made this little soundscape with it... http://www.simeonharris.co.uk/03_no_attachment_to_dust.mp3 it's just two versions of one original perfomance running simultaneously, but one is pitch shifted down and octave and is running backwards and has a Pluggo plugin on it (can't remember exactly which one, but it self oscillates) pretty "basic" in modern looping terms, but very easy to achieve with this app...worth looking at! as a mac user running OS9 still, i'm pretty limited as to what's available in terms of looping software, so it was nice to try this out cheers sim www.simeonharris.co.uk