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I continue to have little patience for anyone who needs to define their universe as "political", because it is these folks who want everyone to operate on that basis, involving "deals" and "transactional relationships". Great for the medium of know-nothing middlemen and career politicos with nowhere else to go, not so great for everyone else. Politics are always kept private until it is felt that more converts are required for whatever is called "the movement" right now. Then it's all dumped on the rest of us as if we're somehow lacking in character or something for disliking political types. Many people just don't care to spend the time engaging with political addicts, as it makes life a far less satisfying thing. On the other hand, democracy demands participation, lest such political types infest and ultimately slow down everything while demanding "to be heard", which usually means that what they want is for everyone to "think like me". Of course if everyone thought the same there wouldn't be any conflict - but then again we wouldn't be human anymore, just duplicates. But to declare All Art is Always Political? Such is only true for one who thinks so, and not for most others. As you can guess I don't think of peoples' relationships as political by default. Art is Art. Like it? Great. Hate it? Great. It's what one does with such experience I think that matters - but that is not Art, but ones reaction to it. So, no, Art is not Political unless it's propaganda. Then it's no longer Art, but Art Put To Use For Political Purposes, which in my opinion renders it corrupt and only assessible from an aspect of Style, in context of whatever political dross it was used to sell at the time. I've got an old Lenin pin, sold to a friend of mine by an ex-Soviet soldier on the streets of St. Petersburg in the early 90s. In the US wearing such a thing is more of a fashion blip than anything else. If I wore it in the UK anytime near May 1, I'd be thought to be a Socialist/Anarchist/whatever, aka Communism with a less-unhappy Face IMNSHO. If one is making Art that is by specification Political, at the least what one is doing is making Political Art, aka Propaganda for Political Purposes. And that's all I'll say about it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Tiedje" <Stefan-Tiedje@addcom.de> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Sent: Monday, 03 April, 2006 10:09 AM Subject: Re: Music is not political (Was Re: music is political) > mark sottilaro wrote: >> I'd pretty much say that non lyrical music has no >> intrinsic political qualities. I dare you to gleen a >> message from any of my music. Don't bother, there >> isn't one. > > Any art is always political... > Usually very conservative politicians want to claim that art should not >be > political, and deliver some examples, which show that these examples are > political in their sense. (aka not asking the wrong questions...) > > Which is very political!!! > And every artist should be aware of the posibility of this sort of > political abuse. > > If you are not aware of it, it might be political in the wrong direction. > > Remember "Entartete Musik" and you know what politics can be about, you > can't escape it. > > Stefan > > -- > > [][] [][][] [][] [][][] > [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] > > Stefan Tiedje > Klanggestalter > Electronic Composition > & > Improvisation > > /~~~~~\ > \\\ /|() ()|\ > ))))) )| | |( \\\ > /// \ \_/)/ ))))) > \___/ /// > > -------------------------x---- > --_____-----------|----------- > --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()---- > -- _|_)----|-----()----------- > ----------()------------x----- > > 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, > 94320 Thiais, France > Phone at CCMIX +33-1-57 42 91 09 > > > > >