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<< people with little or no experience or little or no talent >> Sounds like most rappers to me. :) -- Paul Richards ---- "loop.pool" <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote: > Mark Sottilaro wrote about his scary situation: > > "What else can you do? WHEN YOUR GUEST > VOCALIST WON'T LEAVE! " > > Man, oh man, have I ever been there before, Mark. > > > At one point I got a really lucrative gig ($1000) at one of the 10,000 > person Massives > that they used to hold in Oakland (and why did those things stop?) > > I was asked to fill two solid hours in the chill room doing my live >looping > found sound schtick. > > It was fabulous, really. It was a large audience that continually >turned > over and people were really digging > that my stuff was so different from what they normally would hear at a >Rave. > > That was until I did a kind of trip hoppy piece and use beatboxing for >the > groove. > > A young man walked up to me in the middleof the song as I was juggling >the > loops (warning sign already) > and said. "I dig your beatboxing", I"m a rapper, could I do a >piece > with you? > I thought, well, that's not quite what I intended for the vibe, but I > didn't want to appear curmugeonly > so I said okay to his request.. > > Well, he gets on mic and I lay down a beatbox for him to rap over and > suddenly and immediately > there are ten guys in line behind him waiting for their turn on the mic. > > I mean this all happened within one minute of me handing him the mic and > because my hands were literally full > with playing bass, keys and beatboxign and keeping it all together so >that > it sounded like a professional > production I couldn't control it at all. > > At one point I 'ended' a piece and went over to the line of young men >and > said, "Thanks a lot, I need to get back to the rest of the show now," > and everybody turned on me angrily and one guy said, "Oh man, he got >his > turn, I want my turn" to a chorus > of hostile 'yeahs' from the peanut galler. > > It was really pretty ugly quickly and I just gave up and beatboxed until > the festival leaders aske me to quit playing (half an hour earlier than >I > was supposed to). The whole vibe was not 'chill' at all and I was >never > asked back (after having played two or three of them very successfully. > > Man, oh man, did that make an impression. > > I, unfortunately, have experienced similar situations a couple of times > since then enough to have developed the prejudice that freestyled >rappers > are the most aggressive and insensitive musicians that I've ever played > with. It's a shame because i like the form, and I know a few extremely > good freestylers but even they do not seem to know when to do their >thing > and when to give it a rest. For some reason damned reason, even >people > with little or no experience or little or no talent will aggressively >try to > get onstage with you. Can you imagine a trumpet player or violinist >with > the same amount of experience going up to an accomplished musician and > aggressively asking to sit in for the DURATION of a performance. > > ARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHH! > > I regretfully have a 'no rapper' policy for my live improv shows. It's > just not worth the risk. > I also have discoverd, too, that anyone who is a sensitive and >accomplished > musician will seek you out ahead of your show > and ask to sit in. I've pretty much decided that it has to be David >Torn > or David Sylian or Jah Wobble who asks me in the middle of playing for >me to > say 'yes' to them. If someone is insensitive enough and pushy >enough > to come up right in the middle of a show it's an automatic 'no' reply >from > me now....................and I love to improvisize with people, but you > just gotta have your standards. >