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i play a few shows with phil every year ( and i produced a record for him a few years ago..) he has been using the jamman for a while. i got gibson to send him an echoplex years ago, but he never got on with it and sent it back. i've seen him do absolutely ridiculous jaw-dropping things with nothing but a DL4. the olson video shows about 1/100th of what he can do on a bad night. ric hordinski monk@fuse.net www.richordinski.com www.myspace.com/richordinskimusic