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----- Original Message ----- From: "Dean, Hal " <HDEAN@wcupa.edu> Kris- One other thing you might try - start Windows in Safe mode and then look for instances of the Creative Labs drivers, hardware, etc. I've found in the past that this reveals "leftovers" that for some reason are not seen otherwise. Since you've edited the registry already this may do nothing, but give it a shot. Hal Dean ******************* Thanks, Dean. I did that. In fact, that was a requirement on the Creative website, for the "so-called" clean sweep uninstall. I say so-called because even after I did it, I found Creative in the registry. What a complicated mess. This is an odd duck problem, indeed. I still think it's strange that the clicking and popping does not occur when I'm just running through my VST host with no effects, and that clicking a button to load or activate a VST effect makes a click/pop sound, and that some VST effects that modulate produce a clicking/popping sound that seems to coincide with the modulation. And that when using VST effects like Reaktor Metaphyisical or Krypt, which generate their own sounds, there is no clicking and popping. The problem is limited to the context where the signal is generated through the Echo card input. I have a gut feeling that these are good clues, but I just can't piece them together and draw any conclusion regarding causes. I hope to get on the phone with Echo today. Kris -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Hello all. Thanks for all your responses here. Below is a summary of my actions...plus I am corresponding now with tech support from Echo, including one of their developers...plus I copied Create Labs customer support. I attached my email to echo too, which reveals some more facts. The interesting thing is that this popping/clicking doesn't occur with all of my VST effects (e.g, PSP42 and Filter), only some. And there is also clicking when I activate or deactive a VST in the VST host, by clicking the button for that effect. Very odd. Some of the clicking seems to be synchronized with the modulation of the effects. Kris > Sounds like a defragment is in order? Done. No effect. > What is your cpu usage at right now when the crackles start? Very low. 10%. With this new ThinkPad, processing has not been an issue. I haven't seen it above 55%, even with Reaktor plugins running and some of my high powered plugins like PSP84. > My first guess would be to check levels, if the sound card supports > both > +4dBu and -10dBV, sometimes this gets reset to the other value and > +screws > up gain staging. Not a feature on this IO card. It is line level, no adjustment allowed. > The next guess would be that it's some kind of driver conflict. I > would > have expected that uninstalling the Audigy drivers would clear that up, > but who knows. Go to Control Panel/System/Hardware/Device Manager and > check to see what audio drivers are installed. If you still see the > Audigy drivers uninstall or disable them. Did this, and in fact did a clean sweep uninstall based on Creative Labs instructions, plus removed everything from the registry. No effect. > For the IO driver check the Resources tab and see if there are any > conflicts. ven though you can usually share interrupts these days, audio > devices are still touchy and like to have exclusive use of the interrupt. No conflicts. > Installing and uninstalling hardware makes changes to the windows > registry. I've never had much luck "hacking the registry", Did this, no effect. >uninstalling Windows should solve the problem. Yikes. No way. I will avoid this at all costs and keep searching for the source of the problem. Echo doesn't think I should have to do this either. It's a last resort, blanket solution. > Before you wipe the system and start again (and I'm not saying that > that's > not what you'll ultimately have to do), go to the 'Run' item in your > 'Start' menu. Type "regedit" to bring up the registry edit tool. Use the > "Find" feature to look for anything that possibly might contain keywords > related to your Audigy card. Did this. Deleted everything related to Audity and Creative Labs, Sound Blaster, etc. I even searched for instances where sample rate was set to 48000 and changed down one level. > Might want to try "system restore" before doing anything else. If the > problem is driver related, you should be able to go back to a checkpoint > unless you specifically disabled system restore. Unfortunately, I had disabled this before the problem to free up resources...I wish I had not now. > Check your multimedia/sound settings. Try changing the Default Device > to > something other than the IO. Under Sound and Audio Devices, check the > advanced settings. Be sure that under Audio Playback, the hardware > accelleration is set to Full and sample rate conversion is set to Best. Be > sure that under Hardware, the SB is no longer listed. Did this. No result. > Turn off Windows sounds. Already had this set. No result. >> Be sure that under Hardware, the SB is no longer listed. There may >> still >> be some legacy stuff installed. try http://www.drivercleaner.net/ Did this.