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I do feel your pain Jeff, and believe me when I say that I believe these type of " corporate announcements of vaporware" are irresponsible, but this does happen pretty frequently. A few years back at a NAMM show I saw two cool new products from Alesis(one being a midi foot controller, the other slips my mind) that were displayed under glass (that should have been the tip off, ha ha) And neither product ever saw the light of day, though I do believe they went so far as to advertise them in the trades. I really hope that the RPTR MK2 comes out, is a smash hit, and we all have a chuckle about this. In the mean time remember that MANTRA. Peace Bill -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Shirkey [mailto:jcshirke@midway.uchicago.edu] Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 10:48 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Some info about the Repeater mk2 (not much, though :) > > fare enough, but I'd point the finger at the mail order music > supply shops > of the world like the vaunted Alto Music, who took your money or > someone > else's, not Electrix, they aren't seeing a penny of that money I'd > wager. > And shame on those same retailers who took your money knowing > electrix's > history of late delivery. Maybe. I see both sides of the issue. Sounds like you have quite a bit of direct experience with these issues, so I'll defer to you on this one. But I don't think that the retailer I ordered through was out to get my money knowing that Electrix couldn't deliver. I suppose I put the blame *more* on Electrix than you apparently do. They are the ones who announced the products and gave the retailers estimated ship dates, after all. But I still see your point. > > Don't get your hopes up, and realize that companies like this are > not about > announcing their cash flow issues, software issues, EU code issues or > otherwise. True. Then they should have been much more cautious about announcing their new product line. But that only goes to your point about how they may be poor business people, no matter how good their intentions and no matter how good they may be at the imaginative/creative end of things. Personally I'm not worked up about this. If I get a new Repeater, great. If I don't, that's okay too. And, at some point, I'll have to decide if I want my $150 down payment back. The only reason I haven't gotten the refund yet is because I fear that *if* they should finally start shipping, I'd then be left out. In other words, better to keep my place in line than not. Shrug... Jeff