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guys,shouldnt we be forwarding this mails to behringer? Luis --- Kim Flint <kflint@loopers-delight.com> wrote: > At 07:46 AM 6/18/2006, Clint Goss wrote: > >Thank you all for your input on this subject! > > you're welcome! > > >Claude's input using SysEx messages was a tad > depressing ... The FCB1010 can't > >pull this off and apparantly Plex's can hiccup > acoustically during SysEx > >processing (their admission/apology, in the > manual). > > As we say in the manual, this is only true for long > sysex command streams > sent to the Echoplex. For a simple sysex command > (like one that edits a > single parameter as Claude was discussing) there is > no audible effect. > > > >There is a suggestion of using separate Source # or > MIDI channels and sending > >two messages. I wonder if synchronization (when > working in stereo) would be > >compromised. > > No, there won't be any problem. We designed the > Echoplex to support this > type of use, and tested it to be sure it worked. > > >I sense that the Plex designers put a lot of effort > into the stereo > >synch issue ... brother synch and intelligent midi > piping and all that. > > yes, that is true, we did! > > And part of the goal was to support exactly the > flexibility you are looking > for - the ability to switch between addressing two > loops as stereo pairs or > as independent loops, and deciding on the fly. > > >Simply > >sending two MIDI messages might degrade that stereo > synch in comparison with > >brother sync. > > No, BrotherSync is always active whichever way you > do this. The BrotherSync > connection between the two units will lock them > together at the sample > level so they should stay in sync. It has nothing to > do with midi channels, > and you should keep BrotherSync connected for any of > the strategies you are > hearing about here. > > Controlling the stereo pair by sending a single > command to both units on > the same channel, or controlling them by sending two > midi commands on two > midi channels will work exactly the same. They will > stay in sync the same way. > > > >And then there's the issue that the FCB 1010 is not > up to the task. Hmmm. Been > >using it for a year to control two Plexes and a > PCM81. Reprogrammed it several > >times and used it live dozens of times over the > last year. > > I hate to break the news to you guys yet again, but > the FCB1010 is really > not that great of a midi controller. It enjoys the > advantage of being > affordable, available, and a little better than > other available pedals that > utterly suck. But in the larger view of all midi > pedals ever made, it is in > the middle to slightly-above-average range. > Definitely not at the top. > > > >In a gig last night, I tried doing the 'punch the > panel buttons' thing to > >split > >the two channels so they played two different parts > of an ostinato and then > >reversing one of the channels. Cool acoustic > effect, crappy psychological > >effect. I can tap a footswitch without missing a > beat, but going over to the > >panel was disorienting and took me way out of the > music for like 30 seconds. > > you might also try the suggested idea of just using > the normal Echoplex > pedal in conjunction with your Behringer midi pedal. > That is an easy/cheap > way to accomplish your goal of switching between > stereo or independent > loops on the fly. > > > > > PMC-10 for awhile, but, and maybe mine was > weird- there was about a > > 100ms delay > > > from when I pressed the pedal to when the EDP > changed its state. > > > >Yikes! 1/10'th second? That is disqualifying. > > There are a lot of people using the PMC-10 with the > echoplex and in other > situations, including me. It is a highly regarded > pedal. As I noted, this > supposed delay is not the experience of the vast > majority of pmc-10 users. > > The Digitech PMC-10 really is one of the best midi > pedals ever. Sadly it > has been out of production a long time, is hard to > find, and at this stage > in life may be getting a little shaky if not well > taken care of. It is a > sad situation, but users don't demand good midi > pedals so no manufacturer > puts effort into it. > > kim > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | > http://www.loopers-delight.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com