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hi Bilbo >Mark has a point, i too love the vox modeler, and I've had good results Which actually has a valve in it (Bill please correct me if that's wrong). Digital emulation of distortion is invariably tainted with digital aliasing. >running into my mackie sm 350's the smaller lighter weight brothers to the >sm450s, which I know some of you JBL fans think are harsh sounding. I say >balderdash they souund great. I heard a lot of the "Mackie" sound during y2k5 (thanks Bill/Rick). The Mackie sm's have a quality to them which I would call "shouty" which increases as the volume goes up, kind of like someone shouting at you through cupped hands, and I kind of had an impression that the bass notes were emerging somewhat slowly, ( again at higher volume). ...but compared to other setups I've heard they're nice. Whether the JBLs would sound better at the exact same volume I don't know, but they're very natural sounding at lower/mid volume. I'd guess that the main difference is how the speakers respond to high volume, with the JBLs going a bit soft, and the Mackies getting "punchy". andy butler