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Ah, thanks for the clarification Per, I'd read you used Live and used Mobius alone as well, but i guess I was unclear as to what ends each was used. But it made me think about how I intend to use my host. In one sense I want it to be super simple like Chainer. In this sense the laptop will act as a dedicated looper/processor (maybe a soft synth every now and then) However, my hope is to also use it live where it provides sequenced beats and loops.... OK, and maybe a VSTi every now and then. (Man I love grainstates!) So, as a wise man once said "A well asked question answers itself." Perhaps I'm looking for 2 things and a single program isn't the answer. Maybe Chainer and Energy XT will do the jobs and they're both in my budget for sure. (Live is a little pricey right now... although I guess I have an upgrade deal from a light version...) Thanks Mark --- Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote: > On 25 jun 2006, at 19.50, mark sottilaro wrote: > > > On the topic of Mobius, why do you like Chainer as > a > > vst host? I know Per loves Live > > Sorry to interrupt here, but I only use Live as a > host when I can let > Live set the master tempo. And that happens almost > never. So in > praxis I don't use any VST host at all. I think > Mobius is so much > more "playable" as a standalone version. When using > Mobius to create > tracks for recording projects I use the "Record > Audio" function in > Mobius that renders a file to the hard drive. Then I > move that file > into a traditional DAW (Logic is my fav) to > eventually assemble the > piece, sweeten audio, mix and master for CD or DVD. > > The reason I don't like Live is that it doesn't > follow MIDI clock > very well. At least when playing solo gigs I like to > have Mobius > define the tempo and provide the master MIDI clock > and last time I > did that, in November 2005, Live "lost sync" way too > often. > > > but I'm not sure if I > > need or would use all it's functionality. > > Live has nice plug-ins and lets you change pitch and > timing, is that > what you mean you may not need? > > > I'd rather > > have something that has some midi > editing/sequencing > > ability. I'm checking out Tracktion right now but > I'm > > curioius. > > These days Live has MIDI sequencing and some basic > MIDI editing. Live > does not let you define MIDI groove templates from > audio loops or > MIDI loops though. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com