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Jon Wagner just told me that he started a specific Handsonic group at yahoogroups.com You might write to him about that. yours, Rick ps a professional percussionist with a world class percussion collection who never had enough money at one time to buy a Handsonic....................lol I think they are great but really overpriced and they never came down in price. the trigger finger with a really good sample collection is a very, very nice and inexpensive alternative to the handsonic, though it doesn't have the sexy d-beam and ribbon controllers, unfortunately I actually have that set up but because I have a lot of skill with so many kinds of percussion I never take it out in that context.