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> not....I am somewhat neutral on this for now, but one part of > in me wants to reduce effects to non-instruments when a > traditional instrument is the primary sound generator, but > consider effects (laptops included) inststruments when they > are stand-alone music/tone generators. This is just a Ok, let's see where this will lead us...let's say you got a DL4 with a sweep delay, or a laptop with OhmBoyz. There is a setting on the depth/feedback (vs. resonance/feedback) knobs where the effect will do nothing on its own, just react to your guitar (or whatever). Then there is a setting where the effect will start to generate huge washes of noise all by itself. And there is the range in between where by the tick of a knob it will turn from a "tame" effect into something which will start to self-oscillate by just a tiny increase in brownian motion. And you're telling me this tick of the knob removes the "non-" from "non-instrument"? ;-), Rainer