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Krispen Hartung wrote: > So, how does one define "instrument" in this forum? Anything to transform emotion into music. Some quotes: Joan LaBarbara: "Voice is the original instrument" Brian Eno: "The studio is an instrument" I agree to both... Anything you use to transform your emotion into music and you couldn't do it without "...fill in whatever, VST's, strings, amps..." is part of your instrument, you're not playing guitar, your playing an amplified VST-guitar. The effect on its own won't be an instrument for most people (as for a lot electric guitarist the guitar alone wouldn't be their instrument either). But already a self oscillating filter could easily turn into an instrument with lots of expression... Definitely a turntable in the hand of a hot DJ is an instrument, in my hands its not... Astonishingly a philosophical point of view didn't arrive yet: Does an instrument exist without musician? Does the wood exist without observer...? Back to the word effect: An effect is usually not only related to electronic devices, its something which makes an effect. A lot of effects have been used in music history. Often just as an hommage to a certain fashion. I'd say better avoid effects for the sake of being an effect, it might not work anymore next week... ;-) Nonetheless anything which is fashionable could also follow a musical meaning and thus being a crucial part of a certain piece of music... You can tell if was musically interesting when the fashion is over ;-) Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com