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Thanks Per, I'll check out those built in ping-pongers, but what I had in mind was a little different.... and some research led me right to it: http://www.uv.es/%7Eruizcan/p_vst.htm Go down to the ELOTTRONIX XL VST. It's... perfect. Worked like a charm and didn't cost me a dime. It's built in noise and saturation sound great to me too. Nice for making that loop get a bit broken in after a while. I downloaded all their other stuff too. Looks like fun times ahead. It's like I went to a music store where they said, "Oh just take it." Amazing. I've decided that in this next phase of my music I'm going to make it a point to credit all these nice folks and their amazing free and nearly free instruments. It's such an amazing time we live in. Reminds me of the late 70s early 80s in the US with synth manufacturers. People made unique instruments because it was what they dreamed of, and not because they thought they could capture a huge market share. Not saying that some mass produced stuff isn't brilliant. Korg IMO still puts out amazing gear. (can't wait for the KP-3!) Good times. Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com