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So that limitiation is applied to all 8 tracks as a system even if your source track changes? For some reason, I thought if you copied track 2 and pasted in track 3, then applied a rate shift of +12 or -12 that it would treat it as a new source track, rather than a second rate shift applied to track 1. Or are you just saying that Mobius can handle so many rate shifts occuring simultaneously regardless if applied to the same source track copied, or not. > The problem is the rate shifts. You are currently limited to two octaves up or down, so you would have to record the first track with Rate -24, set the second to -12, then 0, 12, 24...and you hit the ceiling. We would have to add 4 more octaves of shift. Jeff