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Geeeesh, this reminds me of composing my first 12
tone composition, generating my row, matrix of permuations, etc...sheer hell.
For me, there's nothing so miserable as letting principle take hostage of my
creativity and compositions, like being a slave to mathically preconceived
design....essense preceeds being, vs. being proceeds essense....the anti-thesis
of healthy existentialism.
K-
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Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 12:25
PM
Subject: Re: fractal music (was Re:
keeping loops interesting)
Here's a trivial example, Kris (I say trivial, because it uses
only four pitches and is a relatively short loop; pitches were chosen for
simplicity not for aesthetic beauty):
let's take the melody:
C D
E E F# D F# F# D F# E E D
If every pitch given is the same duration
(let's say 8th note), then this loop is 13 8th-notes long. So, let's say we
record this loop on an EDP or Mobius (or any other looper that allows us to
multiply). If we start multiply and play this loop at 1/5 the original speed,
we will still be in unison with the original loop. Likewise, if we play this
loop at 1/8 the original speed while in multiply, we will also remain in
unison every time we play a new note. It follows, too, that you could have one
loop running at full speed, one running at 1/5 speed (rhythmically, not
literally as in time-stretch), and one running at 1/8 speed, all
simultaneously, and everytime they change notes, they will be unison with the
other changing voice(s).
This is a self-similar melody. I'll concede
that it's not a particularly interesting melody, but it is self-similar. At
multiple levels.
I created this example using methods outlined by Tom
Johnson, a composer who seems to do a lot of work with IRCAM. His website is:
http://tom.johnson.org/ and his book
titled "Self-Similar Melodies" is a very interesting read. If you're at all
interested in the application of recursive processes in music, get that book.
It's not for everyone, but there are lots of great ideas that can be used in a
myriad of ways.
Cheers,
Jon Southwood
On 9/18/06, Krispen
Hartung <khartung@cableone.net>
wrote:
But
I am still at loss how this applies to music. Are folks saying that
you
create a piece of music where the pattern as a whole can be found
repeated
in a similar way inside that overall pattern? I need
a more concrete
example of this. Rhythmically, perhaps, I can understand
this better, but
not actual notation. I'm trying to imagine a melodic
pattern that repeats
within itself, or even in a similar
fashion....nothing is comeing to mind,
but I'm a bit tired right
now.
Kris
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