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Krispen Hartung wrote: > So, if Reaktor folks are making an argument that MAX/MSP sounds thin, > they are probably misunderstanding the architecture of the program > and what on can do with it. I would guess that the reaktor folks do really compare and judge, I have a similar experience with Kyma. The Kyma is coming with a bunch of readymade high quality sounds. Elsewise its a different beast than Max, you can create patches and will have the same flexibility as in Max. (Reaktor is much less flexible than Max) On the first sight Max, Kyma and Reaktor sound different. But as you get those readymade sounds you tend to use it like a rack of effects, filled with fashionable sounds. If these fashionable sounds are your only concern, better stick with them, there is no need for you to go the Max route, you're happy already. (Same applies for acoustic and "No-Computer" musicans...) Beginning with a blank page does make it more difficult to achieve an already known sound. You need A LOT of knowledge, which only partially is public, as most creators hide their knowledge to be more competitive. But usually you don't even start to think about completely different ways of creating a sound. You might have a newcomers idea how something should work and get a different sound than you expected, but you like it and keep it and suddenly you're lightyears ahead of any fashion... By the time your explorations will be fashion its old boring stuff for yourself. Max is not made for mainstream taste. As soon as you start, you develop your own tastes. You tweak the sound for your own liking extending the limits of normal effects... It is difficult to achieve the same sound of a filter as some of those pricey hardware emulations you can buy as vst~. Though the knowledge how these are done and tweaked is there, it would not make sense to get into those details. In the end its just different which sais nothing about absolute quality. Most digital filters for example use exactly the same basic structure and its a science of its own to tweak 5 parameters to make it sound like it sounds. Normal users just think "Lowpass", "Highpass", "Bandpass" etc. The tweaking was done by an electrical engineer in the old days, by a DSP programmer today... You just can't learn this within a month... In Max you could arrive at that level, in Reaktor you're bound to the filters which are there. On first sight Reaktor sounds "better", but it restricted to that sound as well. In Max you won't get it out of the box, though somebody out there probably has tweaked it to the same level of quality, but Maxers usually don't consider this too important... If you rely on a certain sound just hooking up Max as vst host is the most simple solution, you can concentrate on the music instead of technical details. There is no need to invent the wheel again... > My guess is that it might be more difficult to build a MAX/MSP > Blackbird equivalent, because MAX/MSP seems to start at a more > fundamental level in terms of the building blocks of patches. I'd be > blown away if a MAX/MSP programmer did this...because right now > Blackbird (thanks to Dave Coffin who shared it with me) is my > favorite patch of all, out of all my VSTs, etc. Is there a Reaktor demo which could load it to have a look? Usually if I hear inspiring sounds and recreate them in Max the end up being very different and much better (thats a matter of taste of course ;-) Synth sounds can be addictive, though for my taste they are much too often a "one trigger and it does it magic" thing which decouples the performer from the sound. The most interesting synth sounds I heard so far where mostly physical models with a lot of control while holding a note... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com