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On 2 nov 2006, at 19.17, Matthew F. McCabe wrote: > Per, > > I'm a little curious as to your rational for using Bidule as your > host and Max/MSP to create your own plug-ins. It seems to me that > Max/MSP does everything you need, so why bother having to learn two > programs? Is Bidule that much faster to create a transitional set- > up? (Just playing devil's advocate!!) Oh, yes - I read both app's manuals and I'm aware that Max/MSP can do everything I need. But Bidule does it faster and I have more fun making music than writing patches ;-)) If you know about audio processing and routing you almost don't have to "learn Bidule"; the modules are there on the screen and you simply have to connect the cables. Most kind of routings are already pre-fab, for example there is a right-click menu for instant syncing as slave or master (or non sync) to Bidules internal tempo clock. Then this Bidule clock can be set to follow external sync signal. I may go all Max/MSP in the future if it will make sense then. Max/ MSP is definitely topping my shopping list and enjoys an instant spare-time-priority ranking on my to-do list. I already own Bidule since years, so I thought I'd begin there. Now when I have a working laptop looping rig based on Bidule I can take my time learning Max/ MSP for future needs. I still only have a 1 GHz centrino and it doesn't make sense to start creating what I have in mind for Max/MSP until I get a more powerful machine. On the Mac there is already Numerology that would be my dream combination with Mobius. But since Mobius only runs on PC I may have to duplicate my most beloved Numerology patches with Max to use with Mobius on the PC. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom