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Yeah, I hear you. After you strip away a lot of the cool effects the amp sims left me a little flat. I also think it's odd that they don't let you bypass the mic sim. IMO, micing a cabinate is the last way I'd like to effect my tone. The idea is to capture it as close to how it sounds to you live.. no? When I A/B'd them to my Vox Tonelab SE the Tonelab won. Considering I like it as a "controller" as well, it wouldn't make any sense to replace it with something else (the guitar rig controller) that needs to be lugged around. I did love a lot of the other stuff it does though even though I agree the looper seems like an after thought they tacked on without really thinking about what a looper might want it to do. Anyway, I tried Freeamp... not sure what went wrong but I get no sound in or out of that plug in. Everything else works fine... Perhaps I need to reinstall. Thanks for the info, Mark --- paul <phaslem@wightman.ca> wrote: > The amp simulations are fine but I've been liking > the sound of freeamp > better. You might want to check it out, it also > comes with some virtual > stomp boxes (chorus, reverb, distortion, delay, > phasor, and a few more.... > you'll find it at http://www.frettedsynth.com/ under > amp simulators. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business (http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com)