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I think there's a false polarity in the distinction between popular and Art. Sure it's enacted everyday in the marketplace,but it;s not the only possibility.The Beatles and Grateful Dead, Jimi Hendrix,Some would perhaps put Radiohead,or Beck here, all had huge popular success and did things that were truly experimental.I am the Walrus was played on a.m. radio.All of 'em employed superficial gimmicks to get noticed,and delivered the goods once the were noticed The jamband scene is really ripe ,it's an audience that expects musicians to take chances and try to go somewhere unexpected,and they listen.If their ears can be a bit unsophisticated it need not be an obstacle,one needs only to provide them a way in.For instance by starting simple and developing in stages,employing infectious grooves ,etc.Paying attention to and working with the attention level of the audience is not necessarily pandering,it's performing. The challenge of engaging an audience that's willing to listen and is ready for you to take chances-What more do you want? I think the real trick is to tune into and feel the audiences' mood,attention,energy, vibe,and invent music that expresses that. It's not the audiences job to understand the artist,it's the other way around,at least in the art of performing. When I saw KW the audience's attention was really caught by him building all these tracks live right in front of them.Yes anyone who loops could do it,and get the attention of an audience.Show 'em something they haven't seen before and they'll pay attention,then you have the chance to take 'em somewhere.I think audiences want something familiar,so they feel connected,and something new that surprises ,and delights them,some energy to make them feel excited,and most of all to have their attention so engaged,that they forget their troubles for a minute,which makes them feel refreshed. These are compositional elements as much as pitches,patches,beats , measures etc.Colors on the pal _________________________________________________________________ Talk now to your Hotmail contacts with Windows Live Messenger. http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwme0020000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://get.live.com/messenger/overview