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I think I misspoke then... I actually am very comfortable with a computer as it opens up so many possibilities that I can't accomplish with firmware. And I actually did buy an RC50 without researching first - and returned it for a VOX guitar modeler. The reason I'm pursuing the s/w route is that there were aspects I really like about the RC-50 but it misses the mark (for me) by inches. Boss has a very nice concept but the implementation isn't mature enough yet. Besides... to do anything resembling batch programming, I'll have to implement midi and I'd do that with a computer; so why invest in two solutions when I believe that one will handle it all? Especially using something with a unix-ish o/s. That opens up a world of options that one simply can't hit with firmware. That and I'm cheap... ;-D Sean Per Boysen wrote: > > Well, isn't your best choice pretty obvious then? You said in an > earlier mail that you would appreciate not using a computer and this > leaves the RC50 as the winner. Just try it out before buying, so you > are comfy with it, as well as with the praxis of not using more than > three loops in a song. > > >