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My technique almost always is, I admit, to do that evil swoop in at the last minute, or last ten seconds, having not shown interest in it before. I suppose it makes it less of an auction, but unlike a real auction (which I attended many times in Pennsylvania as a kid), you don't get an additional minute to think about your next bid each time another bid comes up. Here it's a game of trying to snag it at the best price by a certain time, and bidding early just sends the message that things might get competitive and makes the other bidders possibly up their max bids. It is definitely a very intelligent thing to set a price and stick with it, in my first couple of auctions (I've bought 25 things or so) I realized that I could get caught up in the game and exceed my limit, so I actually do better coming in at the end without time to raise my max, too. I realize I may be a bastard. just my 2 cents...no, wait, 3 cents... Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com >>> The best way is to just put in your max and forget about it, don't >watch it till the end - you either got it or not, both is good...<< >>> > > agreed. bidding wars are of limited appeal as a sport. have you noticed >how everything is "rare" aswell? > > basically, if you start low on something relatively obscure, & no-one >else bids, & you lose out at the last minute by 50 cents, it was the >seller. the seller outbid you so he could relist it when the market's >ready to pay more for whatever it was. he was just testing the water, so >to speak.